The Perspective-Taking You

The podcast Buddhist Geeks recently featured one of my favourite spiritual teachers, Diane Musho Hamilton in two dialogs. Diane practices a coalescence of disciplines including Zen, Big Mind and Ken Wilber’s integral framework. In “Discover Yourself as a Perspective-Taking Being” the discussion focuses on her personal experiences and the four quadrants. That discussion is expanded in “The Three Faces of Spirit: Where is Awareness Locating Itself?“.

The practical use of the four quadrants that Ken Wilber has pointed out is superbly articulated in these dialogs, especially as it relates to spiritual work. In each moment we find ourselves in, whether in meditation or in work, we can hold these perspectives and facilitate better responses and greater insights.

Thanks to the folks at, I can share the audio below.

“Diane Musho Hamilton, Zen sensei and Big Mind lineage holder, joins us to discuss her personal story on the path of awakening. From experiencing the death of several friends at a young age, to studying with Chogyam Trunpga in the mid-80s, to becoming the first lineage holder of a unique new spiritual process called Big Mind, join us as Diane shares the intimate details of her life as a seeker (and non-seeker).

In this dialogue we also touch in on the importance that the work of integral philosopher Ken Wilber has had on her teaching, especially with regards to what Wilber calls the three primordial perspectives. These three perspectives can be summarized by the pronouns, “I” (first-person), “we” (second-person), and “it” (third-person). Find out why these perspectives are so important to someone who is trying to bring together the spiritual quest with all of their other endeavors.

– “Discover Yourself as a Perspective-Taking Being

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